From Stein.Kulseth@TF.telenor.noFri May 19 19:14:15 1995 Date: Fri, 19 May 1995 10:12:51 +0200 From: Stein.Kulseth@TF.telenor.no To: frc@nvg.unit.no Subject: Round 35 - Final status and summary This Summary consists of: 1. Final Status and Statistics of Round 35 2. Proposal Summary (Overrules and Validity Change) 3. Rules Summary 4. Pre-Rules Summary 5. Permanent R.O. Amendment Proposal Summary ################################################################# 1. FANTASY RULES COMMITTEE ROUND 35 FINAL STATUS Theme: Win at any cost Judge: The Wizard The Wizard: Stein The winner of the round and next round's judge is : >>>> Stephen R. E. Turner <<<< The collector of most Style Points and next round's Wizard is : >>>> Jeremy D. Selengut <<<< Submitted Rules: 13 (4 valid/9 invalid) Total Awarded SPs for rules: +11.5 (+0.9 / rule) Submitted Proposals: 18 (5 passed/13 failed) Total Awarded SPs for proposals: +11 (+0.6 / proposal) (permanent amendments excluded) Submitted Prerules: 5 Total Awarded SPs for prerules: +2 (+.4 / prerule) Submitted PA proposals: 6 Total Awarded SPs for PA proposals: -10 (-1.7 / PA proposal) Eligibility etc. Who What Till when How much +-------------+--------------------+--------------------+----------+ Stephen 2 (1/1)(2/1)(0)(3) Fri May 19th 09:45 -5 Ineligibility etc Who What Since when How much +-------------+--------------------+--------------------+----------+ Peter 3 (2/1)(1/0)(0)(0) Thu May 18th 19:26 +5.5 Dug 2 (1/1)(0/0)(0)(2) Mon May 15th 20:58 +2 Bruce 0 (0/0)(1/0)(1)(0) Mon May 15th 00:00 +3 Mike 0 (0/0)(0/2)(0)(0) Mon May 15th 00:00 0 Ronald 0 (0/0)(0/2)(1)(1) Mon May 15th 00:00 +3 Chris 0 (0/0)(0/2)(0)(0) Mon May 15th 00:00 -4 Oerjan 0 (0/0)(0/0)(1)(0) Mon May 15th 00:00 -3 anyone 0 (0/0)(0/0)(0)(0) Mon May 15th 00:00 0 Jeremy 2 (0/2)(1/5)(0)(0) Sat May 13th 00:00(*) +10 Andre 2 (0/2)(0/1)(0)(0) Sat May 13th 00:00 +3 Sagitta 2 (0/2)(0/0)(1)(0) Sat May 13th 00:00 0 +-------------+--------------------+--------------------+----------+ (*) by the eligibility def in the Reg Ords, note however that ineligibility didn't set in untill vote 35:O took effect at May 14th 09:56 ####################################################################### 2. PROPOSAL SUMMARY PROPOSAL 35:A * from Ronald * Voting ended May 5th 12:59 * -1 SP >>>> Regular Ordinance 6 shall read for the duration of Round 35: "6. Judge. The Judge is responsible for interpreting the ordinances and determining the validity of fantasy rules. If a fantasy rule is inconsistent with itself, previously posted valid fantasy rules, or the regular ordinances, then the Judge shall declare that rule invalid. The Judge shall declare that Rule invalid if it is not followed within 6 hours by either - the posting of another Fantasy Rule by another Player or - a private message from the submitter of that Rule to the Judge, containing the proof that a subsequent valid Rule is possible and that such a valid Rule may be posted by *any* of the eligible Players." >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 2/9 < 2/3 ) For: Ronald, Vanyel Against: Chris, Dave, Storm, Peter, Dug, Sagitta, Stephen Style: Not very well crafted, and as Peter commented: I don't see why, for a cutthroat round, we should make an overrule to curtail our own nastiness. Seems to be backwards thinking to me. #### PROPOSAL 35:B * from Mike * Voting ended May 5th 18:37 * +2 SP >>>> I propose to change the wording of Regular Ordinance 8 to the following: 8. Restrictions on Judge's Power. The decision (or lack thereof) of the Judge may be changed if a proposal is made to do so and that proposal receives a two-thirds affirmative vote of the members voting on that proposal within three (3) days after the posting of that proposal. The validity of a fantasy rule affected by such a proposal reflects the current voting, up to the three (3) day limit, on that proposal. If the validity of a fantasy rule is not officially questioned (either by proposal or Judgement) within three (3) days after its posting, that rule shall be considered valid until the end of the round. >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 3/6 < 2/3 ) For: Mike, Ronald, Dave Against: Peter, Jeremy, Stephen (Vanyel 16 minutes late) Style: I liked this proposal. Others didn't, and Stephen made some sense saying: Suppose a rule has been proposed which I don't want to obey. I propose a vote on it, vote against, and make my rule all in the same mail. I guess it's in the spirit of the theme in some sense, but hardly likely to lead to anything playable. #### PROPOSAL 35:C * from Jeremy * Voting ended May 6th 16:02 * +5 SP >>>> For the duration of round 35 the regular ordinaces shall be amended to include rule 4B: 4B.Eligibility to play. Only the first N players who voted FOR proposal 35:C shall be eligible to play in round 35. N is equal to the minimum number of votes FOR proposal 35:C which would have secured the passage of proposal 35:C considering the total number of votes cast when the voting period expires. >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 7/11 < 2/3 ) For: Jeremy, Stephen, Chris, Mike, Bruce, Sagitta, Dave Against: Ronald, Mike, Bruce, Sagitta, Storm, Vanyel, Doug Style: A wonderful proposal. And not only did he make a rule where he risked nothing, but where everyone else risked their eligibility, but the proposal almost succedeed, too. *And* it spurred the creative double votes, and an unprecedented interpretation of the Regular Ordinances. #### PROPOSAL 35:D * from Jeremy * Voting ended May 6th 17:15 * -2 SP >>>> R.O. #3 shall, until the end of round 35, be amended as follows: 3. Starting a Round and posting Rules. Whenever a round of play ends, a new round shall begin. The exact timing of the beginning of the round shall be determined by the Judge. All members are eligible as if they had posted a valid fantasy rule at the start of the round. Only those persons eligible to play may post fantasy rules. The Judge is not eligible. >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 5/10 < 2/3 ) For: Jeremy, Chris, Mike, Sagitta, Storm Against: Ronald, Dave, Stephen, Vanyel, Doug Style: Meant to counter the "pregame" which Ronald started, but would have been decided after the pregame ended, if I had allowed it. In other words, pretty useless. #### PROPOSAL 35:E * from Chris * Voting ended May 6th 18:28 * -2 SP >>>> I propose that Ronald's rule 35:1 be declared INVALID. >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 5/10 < 2/3 ) For: Chris, Stephen, Mike, Sagitta, Jeremy Against: Dave, Ronald, Storm, Vanyel, Doug Style: See comment 35:D #### PROPOSAL 35:F * from Mike * Voting ended May 7th 04:31 -2 SP >>>> I propose that rules 35:2 and 35:3 be judged INVALID, and that any further rules which require the use of or utilize a language other than English also be ruled INVALID. >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 1/8 < 2/3 ) For: Mike Again: Dave, Stephen, Jeremy, Storm, Ronald, Vanyel, Doug Style: See comment 35:D #### PROPOSAL 35:G * from Chris * Voting ended May 8th 14:36 * -2 SP >>>> In accordance with RO8 I propose that Oerjan's rule 35:2 and Stephen's rule 35:3 should both be declared INVALID. >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 3/7 < 2/3 ) For: Chris, Jeremy, Sagitta Against: Stephen, Ronald, Vanyel, Doug Style: See comment 35:D #### PROPOSAL 35:H * from Jeremy * Voting ended May 8th 16:20 * +1 SP >>>> The Regular Ordinances shall, for the duration of round 35, be amended to include the following language: "Registration. a) The Judge is required to judge all rules posted by unregistered players INVALID. b) In the event that the Judge does not return a judgement on a rule posted by an unregistered player before the proscribed default period, the rule will be considered INVALID (in contrast with those rules from registered players, which are considered VALID in the absence of a Judicial ruling). c) Rules posted by unregistered players may be declared VALID only by a 2/3 majority vote. d) Votes by unregistered players will not be counted and will have no effect on the validity (or invalidity) of any rules. e) The only way for a player to register is by voting FOR proposal 35:H prior to the end of voting on this question." >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 3/7 < 2/3 ) For: Jeremy , Stephen, Peter Against: Ronald, Vanyel, Doug, Sagitta, (Mike late) Style: Another variation on a theme from Jeremy though without the power and finesse of 35:C #### PROPOSAL 35:I * from Jeremy * Voting ended May 11th 21:18 * -1 SP >>>> That Rule 35:4 (Peter's) be declared INVALID >>>> Final Status: Passed ( 5/7 > 2/3 ) For: Jeremy , Vanyel, Bruce, Stephen, Ronald Against: Peter, Dug Style: A natural step. However why the defensive attitude. Why not make a counterstab at someone who just might be slightly less than popular now. #### PROPOSAL 35:J * from Stephen * Voting ended May 13th 11:44 * +3 SP >>>> That the following be inserted between the second and third sentences of Regular Ordinance 7 for the duration of round 35. "E shall also award style points similarly for each attempted fantasy rule posted before the round actually started, as well as for each proposal made under Regular Ordinances 8 and 9 during round 35 (including those made before the passing of proposal 35:J); except that in these two cases the style points awarded may range from -5 to +5." >>>> Final Status: Passed ( 6/9 < 2/3 ) For: Stephen, Ronald, Jeremy, Bruce, Chris, Dave Against: Dug, Peter, Andre Style: Definitively makes sense this round. #### PROPOSAL 35:K * Ronald * Voting ended May 13th 13:06 * +1 SP >>>> For the duration of Round 35, Ordinances 2 shall be replaced by: "Membership. Any person may become a member of this committee by posting in the committee forum a statement of intent to join. A member may resign from the committee at any time. Peter Sarrett *must* resign, as soon as one of his Rules is INVALIDated for any reason. He may not rejoin before the start of Round 36." >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 1/4 < 2/3 ) For: Ronald Against: Peter, Dug, Andre, Dave Style: True to the theme, but I think this proposal's window of opportunity was past. #### PROPOSAL 35:L * Jeremy * Voting ended May 13th 23:31:46 * +1 SP >>>> From the time this overrule is enacted until the end of round 35, line 4 of R.O. #8 shall be amended to read: "proposal within two (2) days after the posting of that proposal." >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 2/5 < 2/3 ) For: Jeremy, Dug Against:Ronald, Peter, Andre, Dave Style: I thought this made sense, but of course weekends were a problem. #### PROPOSAL 35:M * Jeremy * Voting ended May 13th 23:36:14 * +3 SP >>>> From the time this overrule is enacted until the end of round 35, line 3 of R.O. #8 shall be amended to read: "receives a simple majority affirmative vote of the members voting on that" >>>> Final Status: Failed ( 1/6 < 2/3 ) For: Jeremy Against: Dug, Ronald, Peter, Stephen, Andre, Dave Style: I think this should have been adopted in this round. Primarily to guard against judicial error tilting the game, but also as voting history this far shows a strong favor for voting down proposals. Would have made the game more open and more interesting I think. #### PROPOSAL 35:N * Peter * RETRACTED [I hereby propose a vote to render rule 35:8 INVALID ] #### PROPOSAL 35:O * Peter * Voting ended May 15th 09:56 * 0 SP >>>> Since 35:7 has been declared VALID, I hereby propose that it be declared INVALID. >>>> Final Status: Passed ( 3/3 > 2/3 ) For: Stephen, Andre, Dug Against: Style: Ordinary vote proposal #### PROPOSAL 35:P * Andre * Voting ended May 15th 12:28 * +3 SP >>>> If Proposal 35:O also passes, Rule 35:8 shall be declared VALID. If Proposal 35:O does not pass, this proposal has no effect. >>>> Final Status: Failed (2/4 < 2/3) For: Andre, Stephen Against: Dug, Ronald Style: A wolf in sheeps clothes, why didn't it receive more votes against? Anyhow it didn't pass. #### PROPOSAL 35:Q * Bruce * Voting ends May 15th 18:37 * +1 SP >>>> Jeremy's attempt to crown himself first among equals proves that he has not learned the lessons of WWII, despite his pretensions of humanity. Perhaps it is best to forget the past, so that its wisdom might not be perverted. I propose that each and every rule posted in this round (before or after the passage of this proposal) that contains "WWII" be declared INVALID. >>>> Current Status: Passed (1/1 > 2/3) For: Bruce Against: Style: Not that bad but didn't cause a fervor. A point for making it pass so easily (not that it eventually mattered, as Jeremy was ineligible by then anyway) #### PROPOSAL 35:R * Stephen * Voting ends May 17th 19:30 * -2 SP >>>> I propose that this rule [35:17] should be made invalid. I'm torn on this one because I think it's a brilliant rule, but "prime power" just doesn't mean that. There is no ambiguity. Oerjan was just trying to mislead. >>>> Current Status: Failed (1/3 < 2/3) For: Stephen Against: Peter, Dug Style: There's a bit of a sulking tone in this one. More important: Having second thoughts for invalidating a rule, based on its perceived quality is very out of theme, and I cannot see that confessing to such in any way could help Stephen. Shame on you, Stephen! #### PROPOSAL 35:S * Stephen * Voting ends May 18th 19:26 * +3 SP >>>> That the following be appended to Regular Ordinance 4: However, Peter Sarrett is always ineligible. >>>> Final Status: Passed (30/35 > 2/3) For: Stephen, Ronald, Chris, Angelina Turner, Emma Williams, Steve Brooks, David Rose, Violet S F Lo, Steven Kelly, Jane Skinner, Tim Wilkins, Robert E. Donovan, Penny Pullan, Richard Tucker, Jon Denne, James Thomas, Joshua Ross, Gareth, Julian.P.T.Higgins, Richard P. Williams, Jon Woolf, Ross Jones, Andrew Rhodes, Alexander Hanysz, Kevin Buzzard, Lawren Smithline, Saghir Bashir, er110 (you have a very strangely named friend there, Stephen), Martin Baxter, Wendy Hatch Against: Peter, Dug, Bruce, Andre, Jeremy Style: A forced step, but nicely worded, and beautifully followed up, first by campaigning for the win, then by inviting family and friends to join the FRC just to vote for it. ##################################################################### 3. RULES SUMMARY FR 35:1 * Sagitta * May 8th 00:01 * INVALID * -2 SP >>>> Because I admire Ralph A. Lewin, biologist and poet, each valid rule in round 35 must contain a different poem from his anthology "The Biology Of Algae And Diverse Other Verses". One of my favourites is "Relative Speeds": The bee, that zooms from hive to flower At seven million lengths per hour Can spare no time for mice that go Five hundred thousand lengths or so. But mice run ten times faster than The best-laid schemes of modern man Some fifty thousand lengths we get In racing car or flying jet. While Bannister, when sorely pressed Does fifteen thousand lengths at best The tortoise, whern he hits the trail May touch a thousand, like the snail; But this is lightning - for it means Eight times as fast as ocean Queens. Our Earth, with all its earthly power Goes hurtling through the heavens vast At seven lengths within the hour (A bee's a million times as fast.) The next valid rule will also contain a convincing explanation of why cocktail sticks are sharpened at both ends. 'Convincing' means that it convinces Stein. >>>> Validity: The killer R.O.7 strikes again!! Style: Would make rules almost unjudgeable as I have no idea how to find out whether a poem is in the said anthology or not, taken that it really exists. Poem *was* nice though. FR 35:2 * Sagitta * May 8th 00:15 * INVALID * 0 SP >>>> Because I admire Ralph A. Lewin, biologist and poet, each valid rule in round 35 must contain a different poem from his anthology "The Biology Of Algae And Diverse Other Verses". One of my favourites is "Relative Speeds": The bee, that zooms from hive to flower At seven million lengths per hour, Can spare no time for mice, that go Five hundred thousand lengths or so. But mice run ten times faster than The best laid schemes of modern man: Some fifty thousand lengths we get In racing car or flying jet. While Bannister, when sorely pressed, Does fifteen thousand lengths at best The tortoise, when he hits the trail May touch a thousand, like the snail; But this is lightning - for it means Eight times as fast as ocean Queens. Our Earth, with all its earthly power, Goes hurtling through the heavens vast At seven lengths within the hour. (A bee's a million times as fast.) The next valid rule will also contain a convincing explanation of why cocktail sticks are sharpened at both ends. 'Convincing' means that it convinces the Wizard Judge. >>>> Validity: OK, so I am a nitpicker, and an inconsistant bastard as well (and maybe I'm just looking for excuses to invalidate this rule I don't want). Dug raises the question whether the title "The Wizard Judge" is appropriate, and after rereading the dreaded R.O.7 I tend to agree that it is not (even if I have used the title myself, however I am allowed to change my opinion too, and trying to influence the Judge is allowed by the R.O.'s and should not be discouraged in this round). Now, correct naming should be "The Wizard". Note also that Sagitta used "the Wizard Judge", not "The Wizard Judge". Style: Another negative for repost, but only -0.5 as you're also a victim of harsh judging - harsh, but fair though, see next rule... FR 35:3 * Dug * May 8th 00:48 * INVALID * +2 SP >>>> Rule 35.2 : Bribe - 15~ When I first read that our honored Wizard (acting as Judge), wished the theme of this round to be "Win at All Costs" I thought, how nice -- a round about economics! I therefore propose some costs: 1) Every past or present member of the FRC will receive an imaginary account of 50~ (~ being the symbol for FRCUs - Fantasy Rule Currency Units) -- except as noted below. Every new member of the FRC will receive an account of 50~ upon joining. These accounts will be administered by the Wizard (acting as Judge), and will be known as FRCU accounts. 2) At the start of each rule, the FRC member posting that rule (known from here on as "the Poster") may indicate how many FRCUs he or she is using to bribe the judge. If no such amount is indicated, it is assumed to be zero. 3) This amount will be deducted from the Poster's FRCU account. 4) Any rule which submits a bribe of greater value than the amount left in the Poster's FRCU account will be declared INVALID. 5) Any rule which submits a bribe less than the value indicated on the table below will be declared INVALID: Amount of FRCUs Style points awarded to the rule --------------- -------------------------------- 0 ~ 3 style points 5 ~ 2 style points 10 ~ 1 style point 15 ~ 0 style points 20 ~ -1 style points 25 ~ -2 style points 30 ~ -3 style points example: Poster makes a rule and submits a bribe of 10~. This rule is judged to be worth zero style points. The rule is necessarily INVALID (10~ < 15~) 6) Any future rule which attempts to change the amount in any FRCU account (except as described in this rule), will be declared INVALID. 7) The Poster of this rule (35.2) will start the round with 100 ~ in his account. >>>> Validity: Dug convinced me to adopt a strict interpretation of R.O.7 Sorry, Dug, just "Wizard" don't cut it then, "The Wizard" it is. Style: Nice idea. FR 35:4 * Peter * May 8th 18:41 * Voted INVALID * +1 SP >>>> The people who jumped in early could have reaped huge rewards had their rules and overrules been successful. The penalty for failure should be commensurate. All rules posted by anyone who submits or has submitted a lettered proposal in round 35 (35:A, 35:B, etc) shall be declared INVALID. All rules submitted by anyone who submitted a numbered rule before The Wizard's officially stated starting time for this round shall be declared INVALID. Such people shall be known as Earlybirds. However, to keep such people interested in the round, all future VALID rules must be immediately preceded by an INVALID rule submitted by an Earlybird. In other words, for rule N to be VALID, rule N-1 must be an INVALID rule submitted by an Earlybird. >>>> Validity: Seems OK Style: This is the tough kind of play we like to see. Had it also been the clever kind of play that I really believed would succeed it might have earned even more style points. FR 35:5 * Jeremy * May 8th 19:37 * INVALID * 0 SP >>>> In concordance with our 50th anniversary of WWII "win at all costs" theme, all future valid rules will include a reference to, or in some way symbolize, an aspect of that conflict. This rule symbolizes Naziism. All players must, before midnight (in Munich) on Wednesday May 10th, 1995, register with The Wizard. The only way to register is to post a rule which includes statements claiming the poster's nationality, race and religion. (One may, of course, be less than truthful with these statements, but who can tell what the consequences of that might be...) After the registration deadline mentioned above, all rules posted by unregistered players will be judged INVALID. My nationality is American. My race is Semitic. My religion is Jewish. >>>> Validity: Invalid by Peter's 35:4 Style: Not very devious, nor very bold, but of course, it might actually have been allowed to stand uncontested ... FR 35:6 * Dug * May 8th 20:58 * VALID * +2 SP >>>> Those who are trying to improve their own standing by degrading the standing of a group of people may find themselves facing their crimes when the war is through. In other words, we cannot sacrifice our moral standards, our respect and tolerance for cultural groups, _even_ if the supreme goal is only to win. World War II taught us that lesson. Unfortunately, we are already guilty of this in Round 35. We have been told that the Earlybirds must suffer, simply because they are Earlybirds. I am not an Earlybird, but I stand for their rights. I therefore decree that the earlybirds will get some of their own back. To wit, Any future rule not posted between 7am and 9am (in the local time zone of the poster) shall be declared INVALID. >>>> Validity: Jeremy is an earlybird, so Dug fulfills 35:4 Style: "Moral standards, respect and tolerance", bah, humbug! I like it! Also, probably favours Dug to some (I guess not everybody is usually by their terminal at 9am), yet not enough that it will raise a storm (I guess). FR 35:7 * Jeremy * May 11th 23:36 * Voted INVALID * +3 SP >>>> WWII was not only about the clash of nations, armies and ideologies, but also about the trials of individuals. War is not fair. Some individuals repeatedly cheated death in the most harrowing of circumstances while others were cut down in their prime, moments after hitting the beach. To commemorate the soldiers who fell and those who survived I make the following restrictions on round 35: 1) Any future rule posted or authored by Dug (the author of 35:6) will be declared INVALID. 2) Any future rule which restricts my ability to post rules or requires that my rules be judged INVALID (by specifically singling me out or including me in a group which includes other eligible players) will be declared INVALID. 3) Any player who votes FOR a proposal to invalidate this rule will be treated by The Wizard in the same manner as was Dug in restriction #1 above. 4) Any player who's FINAL vote is AGAINST a proposal to invalidate this rule will be treated by The Wizard in the same manner as me in restriction #2 above. >>>> Validity: Jeremy tries to open up a loophole (big enough to drive a truck through) in 35:6, by exploiting the fact that Dug didn't explicitly state that the times should be the same day. I like rules that exploit loopholes, and think they are even more appropriate in this round than in other rounds, and fully accept Jeremy's explanation that any time is between (some) 7 am and (some) 9 am. Style: What more can I say. Bold *and* at least quite clever, I give it a bold +3. FR 35:8 * Stephen * May 12th 09:40 * INVALID * +2.5 SP >>>> Henceforth, no fantasy rule may be posted by anyone whose e-mail address, as given in the FRC mailing list on 11th May 1995 at 0834 GMT, has the suffix .com, .edu, .gov, .mil, .net or .org. >>>> Validity: As I finally decided to allow 35:7, this one falls as Jeremy's e-mail address is selengut@mit.edu. Style: Good, clear, concise, brave, and without mercy, a near 3. FR 35:9 * Stephen * May 12th 09:45 * VALID * -1.5 SP >>>> Future fantasy rules within this round shall not be numbered using all integers, but only those integers which are prime powers. The number of a posted fantasy rule is therefore to be the next unused prime power (in the conventional ordering of integers) after the number of the previous posted fantasy rule. The poster of a fantasy rule must indicate the correct number of that rule in the Subject: header of the e-mail message in which it is sent. If e fails to do so, that rule will be invalid. (In this rule, the 'number' of a fantasy rule is to be taken to indicate the part of the rule's indentifier conventionally written after a colon. For example, this rule is number 9, but is conventionally labelled 35:9). >>>> Validity: No problem Style: Tame, bureaucratic, ordinary, I don't like it much. FR 35:10 * Andre * May 12th 12:23 * INVALID * +1 SP >>>> If, at any moment, a player who already had a rule declared valid, has a rule declared invalid, all rules which satisfy the three criterions below will be declared invalid: 1. It has been posted at most 3 days before mentioned player's invalid rule 2. It has been posted after the last of the player's valid rules 3. It is not this rule. >>>> Validity: For all my complaints about 35:9, it did trick Andre. Sorry, Andre - this rule is not numbered appropriately. Style: Otherwise it definitely has a lot going for it, though it would make for very messy judging. FR 35:13 * Andre * May 12th 14:19 * INVALID * -1 SP >>>> If a player has posted a fantasy rule which has been judged VALID, he/she must wait at least 3 days before posting another fantasy rule. >>>> Validity: Well, I would have 35:11 on this one, besides, since Andres last attempt he has voted for 35:O as well, making this rule fall to 35:7 Style: Run-of-the-mill FR 35:17 * Peter * May 13th 10:45 * VALID * +3 SP >>>> All future fantasy rules posted by anyone whose initials are JDS shall be declared INVALID >>>> Validity: Peter goes with Oerjan's definition of prime power which BTW makes a prime power equal to a prime. The intended definition was that a prime power should be a power of a prime, but I think again that Peter's (+Oerjan's) definition ought to be valid (in fact better, as say 16 is a power of a prime, but it is itself not prime as the term prime power suggests). Enough of that, I decide this way, overturn me if you will. So, how about 35:7? Peter himself comments on this: > This rule exploits a loophole in 35:7, hoisting Jeremy on his own petard. > It does not single him out, nor does it include him in a group with other > eligible players-- nobody else currently eligible to play in this round has > initials of JDS. It DOES include him in a group with people who are > ineligible to play (lots of other people in the world have those initials), > but that's not prohibited by 35:7. The man who exploited a loophole is > himself nailed by a loophole. I have nothing to add. Style: A near one-liner rule, that requires 16 lines of discussion to justify. A marvellous use of a loophole that is *definitely* there. How can I not like it. Call me mr Soft-on-Style-Points if you wish, another +3 coming up FR 35:19 * Peter * May 15th 18:34 * VALID * +1.5 SP >>>> The next 10 fantasy rules to be posted by, authored by, or credited to players who are still eligible to play in this round must be INVALID. >>>> Validity: Seems OK Style: An easy way out, but probably effective. ###################################################################### 4. PRE-RULES SUMMARY A game before the game! How interesting, and a very nice try from Ronald, and one that deserves going through. Let's see, if we accept that the round 35 starts immediately after round 34 ends, then either by R.O.5 this happened when Vanyel's time ran out at Apr 26th 17:33 CDT = 22:33 GMT = Apr 27th 00:33 NDST, giving a first week deadline of May 4th 00:33 Alternatively, as R.O.5 is an ordinance that must be interpreted as of R.O.6, the round ended when Mike said it had ended which happened at April 28th 22:17 (NDST), giving a deadline of May 5th 22:17 In the first case only Ronald, Oerjan and Stephen would have made it before the first week timelimit. In the other case also Bill and Bruce would have made it. However in no cases would any rule have become validated (by timeout) before the first week eligibility expires. Ronald's 35:1 was submiited at May 3rd 17:02, and would not time out valid until May 6th 17:02. Thus the first week would end without any valid rules, and suddenly noone would be eligible. This might mean that the round ended without a winner, but if I'd interpreted R.O.5 saying 'only one person eligible' to mean 'exactly one person eligible', then the round would extend until a submitted rule became valid by timeout in which case that rule's author would win. The first rule to time out would naturally be Ronald's at May 6th 17:02. By that time only proposals 35:A-C was resolved, all failing, and Ronald would have won. Alas, I didn't allow it, but it was a wonderful try anyhow... ...yet by 35:J people *do* get points for these. The pregame: FR 35:i - Ronald - +4 SP >>>> Future Rules shall be posted to the server only by Players who did not propose an Overrule or a change of validation for Round 35. >>>> Style: You cannot blame anyone for trying. On the contrary, you should reward them, and I do! FR 35:2i - Oerjan - -3 SP >>>> Future Rules must contain an Ibsen quote in the original language. >>>> Style: Spare me... FR 35:3i - Stephen - -3 SP >>>> 'Dukkehjem', 'Hedda Gabler' 'Peer Gynt'. All future rules will contain a passage of at least 1000 words from Ibsen, in the original language, with a translation into any other language of the poster's choice. >>>> Style: 1000 words? Oh, come on, this is neither funny nor especially wanted. I rate it equally low as Oerjan's prerule who started the mess. FR 35:4i - Sagitta - +2 SP >>>> Being a member of the FRC certainly broadens one's horizons. Until=20 yesterday night I'd never even heard of Prosjekt Runeberg. To ensure this continues, each new valid rule will introduce the FRC to a new intellectual field. I am sure many of you are already aware of the great= =20 strides forward being made in information theory and technology. As an example of the power of new techniques, I treated Ibsen's _Dikter_ with the "Drink Me" algorithm. The original, of course, reads as follows: Der bodde en underlig gr=E5spr=E6ngt en p=E5 den yderste n=F8gne =F8;- [etc...I'll be damned if I'm gonna include the entire Terje Vigen, look it up for yourselves - The Wizard Judge] The non-ASCII characters may be displayed strangely on some keyboards, but= =20 you can easily work out what they mean. The compression algorithm returned the following output: Y*hs4";)hChe07FRl,4,f=A3kcaLg~h_8l[+/`few|B?g9%sa(h^$m@gi]cD#s% bs9Hdezxj=A3783KFmg'vh5j]fy!g(8~m"7_.Fsu';q{$\jG-p6y"n]SD4#>>> Style: A stylistically good answer given an awkward position to work from FR 35:5i - Bruce - +2 SP >>>> The less-than-delicately-named decompression algorithm "Eat me" is, alas, narrow in its application. It takes as input the SMURL-language string Y*hs4";)hChe07FRl,4,f=A3kcaLg~h_8l[+/`few|B?g9%sa(h^$m@gi]cD#s% bs9Hdezxj=A3783KFmg'vh5j]fy!g(8~m"7_.Fsu';q{$\jG-p6y"n]SD4#>>> Style: Good response to last rule, and save for the obligatory 1000 words of Ibsen who would have become rather tiresome, the next rule might have been very interesting indeed. ##################################################################### 5. PERMANENT RO AMENDMENT PROPOSAL SUMMARY Also, by 35:J I have to style point these, as I think style points should reflect the theme, I have to give minus points to all as none of them really enhanced the posters chance to win the round. Of course, I wouldn't like it if anyone had changed the ROs in order to win a single round, and some of these proposals are quite sensible, so I have stopped at -1, except for one proposal that was a real dog: PA1: -1 SP PA2: -1 SP PA3: -1 SP PA4: -1 SP PA5: -5 SP PA6: -1 SP PROPOSAL PA1 - permanent RO3 amendment, Vote ends Fri May 19th 9:59 >>>> I propose that the RO3 be amended to read as follows: 3. Starting a Round and posting Rules. Whenever a round of play ends, a new round should begin as soon as possible thereafter. The (new) Judge shall determine the exact time of the start of the round, and e may also suggest a theme for the round and nominate a member to post the first fantasy rule. All members are eligible as if they had posted a valid fantasy rule at the start of the round. Only those persons eligible to play may post fantasy rules. The Judge is not eligible. >>>>> Current Status: Passing (3/3 > 2/3) For: Stephen, Stein, Andre, Jeremy Against: PROPOSAL PA2 - permanent RO7 amendment, Vote ends Fri May 19th 10:02 >>>> I propose that in RO7, "The Wizard" be replaced by "the Wizard". >>>> Current Status: Passing (3/3 > 2/3) For: Stephen, Stein, Andre, Jeremy Against: PROPOSAL PA3 - permanent RO7 amendment, Vote ends Fri May 19th 16:47 >>> The reg ords be amended to read 7. Style Points. For each fantasy rule posted, the Judge shall award X points, where -3<=X<=3. The Judge may use any criteria e sees fit for such awards. At the end of a Round the Player who has collected the most Style Points will be known and addressed as the Wizard in the next Round. Failure to do so will NOT invalidate a fantasy rule. >>>> Current Status: Failing (1/3 < 2/3) For: Dug, Andre Against: Stephen, Stein, Jeremy PROPOSAL PA4 - permanent RO7 amendment, Vote ends Sat May 20th 21:45 >>>> I propose that the reg ords be amended such that RO7 reads: 7. Style Points. For each fantasy rule posted, the Judge shall award X points, where -3<=X<=3. The Judge may use any criteria e sees fit for such awards. >>>> Current Status: Failing (3/7 < 2/3) For: Dug, Peter, Stein Against: Oerjan, Bruce, Stephen, Ronald , Andre, Jeremy PROPOSAL PA5 - permanent RO7 appendment, Vote ends Mon May 22nd 10:37 >>>> That if proposal PA4 fails, the following be appended to RO7: Stein Kulseth shall be known and addressed at all times as the Grand High Conjuror. If at some time the Grand High Conjuror is also the Wizard, he shall be known and addressed as 'The Wizard, The Grand High Conjuror'. >>>> Current Status: Failing For: Stephen Against: Stein, Chris, Ronald, Andre PROPOSAL PA6 - permanent RO2 appendment, Vote ends Mon May 22nd 10:37 >>>> Replace Regular Ordinance 2 by: "2. Membership. Any person may become a member of this committee by posting in the committee forum a statement of intent to join. A new member may not vote on Proposals, before e has legally posted a Fantasy Rule. A member may resign from the committee at any time." >>>> Current Status: Passing For: Ronald, Stein Against: ####################################################################### That's all folks. Good luck to us all for round 36. -- The Wizard Judge - signing off