From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Aug 5 23:55:48 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19] EHLO lupinella.troll.no ident: root [port 34845]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49521-14902>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:55:42 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79619-6594>; Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:55:17 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Date: Tue, 5 Aug 1997 23:54:37 +0200 (MET DST) From: Orjan Johansen To: Fantasy Rules Committee Subject: Final Status Report Round 78 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Return-Path: X-Orcpt: rfc822;oerjan@nvg.unit.no X-Envid: frc-13137 Status: RO X-Status: [No, this is not a 2 month delayed email, just a 2 month delayed ftp archive cleanup - this message will go into the file for Round 78.] The Theme of Round 78 was "The FRoddes-C. A work of poetry of epic proportions." The Judge was John M Goodman, II. The Wizard was Stephen Turner. Times listed are as received by troll.no, GMT +0200. Player Last Rule Style ------------------------------------------------ Ed Murphy 78:4 +0.8 New Wizard Jeremy D Selengut 78:2 +0.0 Joshua Hall-Bachner 78:5 +0.5 Winner and new Judge Luke Vaughn 78:3 +0.5 Morendil 78:1 +0.4 Poster Rule Validity Style Time Posted --------------------------------------------------------------------- Morendil 78:1 VALID +0.4 Mon, 26 May 1997 09:44:45 Jeremy D Selengut 78:2 VALID +0.0 Wed, 28 May 1997 21:27:47 Luke Vaughn 78:3 VALID +0.5 Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:23:48 Ed Murphy 78:4 UNSUCCESSFUL +0.8 Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:14:28 Joshua Hall-Bachner 78:5 VALID +0.5 Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:05:02 From owner-frc@troll.no Fri May 23 18:21:12 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49156-260>; Fri, 23 May 1997 18:21:04 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45647-27164>; Fri, 23 May 1997 18:20:35 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc To: frc@troll.no Subject: Round 78 Message-ID: <19970523.121641.5439.0.grayfax@juno.com> X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,3,5-12 From: grayfax@juno.com (John M Goodman, II) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:19:31 EDT Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: A Round 78 will start whenever the first rule is posted. Since it seems there was a 3 way tie for style points (at .5) last round, juding from that last summary, I'll leave first rule up in the open. Whoever posts first gets it. As for the theme, I'm in a literary mood (us writers get like that sometimes) so, this round will be: The FRoddes-C A work of poetry of epic proportions. Have fun :) John From owner-frc@troll.no Mon May 26 09:45:14 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49154-260>; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:45:06 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45639-27166> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 26 May 1997 09:44:45 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <199705260744.JAA05791@logatome.micronet.fr> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Laurent Bossavit" To: frc@troll.no Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 09:46:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Subject: Rule 78:1 Priority: normal Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: ~ Here be a Rule ~ Pierre Ménard Chair of Geek Studies Jorge Luis Borges Institute of Potential Literature Dear colleagues, As you well know I have been for a number of years involved in the quest for the Great Work - the tale, as told by Geek poet Fommer, who is said to have been deaf and dumb, of the warrior Hubrys. Naturally, since the Geeks are now known to have had no written traditions, relying instead on oral transmission of their culture, Fommer's works have proved exceedingly difficult to retrieve. However, recent advances in our field of Potential Literature have opened up exciting new avenues. For this reason I have invited all of you - noted for relevant accomplishments in various sub-disciplines - to participate in this informal session and apply the latest in reconstruction techniques to Fommer's works, hopefully to culminate in the first verses of that work ever to be known to modern man - or, for that matter, to the ancients. To facilitate the process, I will ask of each of you to state for the benefit of the others your chosen speciality, provide an example of how it has previously helped in the recovery of lost cultural treasures, and briefly outline its applications to our current goal as you introduce yourself to the esteemed members of this committee. Thank you for participating. ~ Here ends a Rule ~ -[Morendil]-------[Check out Club Chat : http://www.clubchat.com/ ]- Nihilism should begin with oneself. From owner-frc@troll.no Mon May 26 21:49:19 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49159-260>; Mon, 26 May 1997 21:49:12 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45644-27163>; Mon, 26 May 1997 21:48:31 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc To: frc@troll.no Subject: Ruling 78:1 -- Valid, 0.4 Message-ID: <19970526.154355.4871.0.grayfax@juno.com> References: <199705260744.JAA05791@logatome.micronet.fr> X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-3,5-56 From: grayfax@juno.com (John M Goodman, II) Date: Mon, 26 May 1997 15:46:52 EDT Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: Obviously valid--it takes work to make an invalid first rule. Not what I expected either--and perhaps more interesting than what I did expect. Puns were a bit predictable, but not bad. :) Restriction is a bit vague--but that's not necessarily a bad thing either for a first rule. I'll give it 0.4 for style John >~ Here be a Rule ~ > > Pierre Ménard > Chair of Geek Studies > Jorge Luis Borges Institute of > Potential Literature > > Dear colleagues, > > As you well know I have been for a number of years involved in >the quest > for the Great Work - the tale, as told by Geek poet Fommer, who is >said to > have been deaf and dumb, of the warrior Hubrys. Naturally, since the >Geeks > are now known to have had no written traditions, relying instead on >oral > transmission of their culture, Fommer's works have proved >exceedingly > difficult to retrieve. > > However, recent advances in our field of Potential Literature >have opened > up exciting new avenues. For this reason I have invited all of you - >noted > for relevant accomplishments in various sub-disciplines - to >participate in > this informal session and apply the latest in reconstruction >techniques to > Fommer's works, hopefully to culminate in the first verses of that >work ever > to be known to modern man - or, for that matter, to the ancients. > > To facilitate the process, I will ask of each of you to state for >the > benefit of the others your chosen speciality, provide an example of >how it > has previously helped in the recovery of lost cultural treasures, >and briefly > outline its applications to our current goal as you introduce >yourself to > the esteemed members of this committee. > > Thank you for participating. > >~ Here ends a Rule ~ > From owner-frc@troll.no Wed May 28 21:28:17 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49195-260>; Wed, 28 May 1997 21:28:07 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45640-27165>; Wed, 28 May 1997 21:27:47 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970528192709.006852d0@fido.nhlbi.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 15:27:09 -0400 To: frc@troll.no From: Jeremy D Selengut Subject: Rule 78:2 Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: >>>>>> Francois Truffle Professor of Cinematic Arts Institute Jerry Lewis 77 Rue Deja-Vu Trompe-L'Oeil, France Mon cher Pierre, How positively delightful of you to include all of us in this endeavor. As I'm sure you are aware, I have always had a more than passing interest in the legends of Hubrys in all the various forms which have been handed down to us from the ancients. Were you aware that I even alluded to his fatal heroic flaw in my first student film ("La Vache Qui Rit")? In my opinion, (and opinions count in this type of thing), the fifth valid submission to this forum must explicitly refer to the manner of Hubrys' downfall in the potential verse lines of Fommer; if we can't get that far by then, what's the point? Enough chit-chat, you wanted an intro, so here it is: My specialty is film, more specifically, the recreation of past events never originally captured on film. My discipline has become useful occasionally to the field of Potential Literature in helping to resolve debates among the supporters of competing versions of a text. For instance, when my colleagues and I attempted to act out the various versions of Camus' early lost novel, "The Really Bad Head Cold," it became obvious that Dr. Higgenbottom's description of Hans' heroic leap to interpose himself between his love and the infectious nasal projections of Monsieur Achieux was entirely unworkable considering the loss of Hans' thick eye-glasses in the previous chapter. I would hope that I might be able to apply similar deconstructions of our reconstructions in this forum. >>>>>> From owner-frc@troll.no Thu May 29 14:15:09 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49197-260>; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:15:07 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45644-27166>; Thu, 29 May 1997 14:14:22 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970529121351.006ad4f8@fido.nhlbi.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 08:13:51 -0400 To: frc@troll.no From: Jeremy D Selengut Subject: Re: Ruling 78:2, valid, Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: A >It seems rather silly to me, but anyone who'd create a film >with that title (my French is rusty--don't remember the meaning of >rire--the cow that what?) is a bit off, I think. "La vache qui rit," roughly translated: Laughing Cow, its a brand of cheese. I'm sorry you think my attempts at humor were merely silly, perhaps I should have explained the jokes: Francois Truffle -> Trouffaut, French filmmaker Jerry Lewis -> Comedian inexplicably beloved by the French Trompe l'oeil -> Artistic illusions, fakery; like a false window or building front "The Really Bad Head Cold" -> a reference to Camus' great later work, "The Plague" Monseiur Achieux -> gesundheit - Jeremy From owner-frc@troll.no Fri May 30 21:21:24 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49161-260>; Fri, 30 May 1997 21:21:23 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45738-32528>; Fri, 30 May 1997 21:20:48 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@TROLL.NO X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <2.2.32.19970530175325.006a9828@fido.nhlbi.nih.gov> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 13:53:25 -0400 To: frc@TROLL.NO From: Jeremy D Selengut Subject: Ruling 78:2, valid, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: [ Sorry for the downtim. Some bad luck today. --Arnt ] >Return-Path: >X-Ph: V3.18@itchy.dcrt.nih.gov >To: selengut@nih.gov >Subject: Ruling 78:2, valid, >References: <2.2.32.19970528192709.006852d0@fido.nhlbi.nih.gov> >X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,5,9-63 >From: grayfax@juno.com (John M Goodman, II) >Date: Thu, 29 May 1997 00:35:33 EDT > >Valid >Lets see. M. Truffle has introduced himself, given his specialty, an >example of how it has been used in the past and briefly how he hopes to >use it here. It seems rather silly to me, but anyone who'd create a film >with that title (my French is rusty--don't remember the meaning of >rire--the cow that what?) is a bit off, I think. >Well written, though the restriction is quite vague and I was never fond >of restrictions that only apply to a single rule. Further, if the >reasoning is that we must get that far by then, why must it be the fifth >valid rule, rather than BY the fifth valid rule? >Style: 0.0 > >>>>>>>> >> Francois Truffle >> Professor of Cinematic Arts >> Institute Jerry Lewis >> 77 Rue Deja-Vu >> Trompe-L'Oeil, France >> >>Mon cher Pierre, >> >>How positively delightful of you to include all of us in this >>endeavor. As >>I'm sure you are aware, I have always had a more than passing interest >>in >>the legends of Hubrys in all the various forms which have been handed >>down >>to us from the ancients. Were you aware that I even alluded to his >>fatal >>heroic flaw in my first student film ("La Vache Qui Rit")? In my >>opinion, >>(and opinions count in this type of thing), the fifth valid submission >>to >>this forum must explicitly refer to the manner of Hubrys' downfall in >>the >>potential verse lines of Fommer; if we can't get that far by then, >>what's >>the point? >> >>Enough chit-chat, you wanted an intro, so here it is: >> >>My specialty is film, more specifically, the recreation of past events >>never >>originally captured on film. My discipline has become useful >>occasionally to >>the field of Potential Literature in helping to resolve debates among >>the >>supporters of competing versions of a text. For instance, when my >>colleagues >>and I attempted to act out the various versions of Camus' early lost >>novel, >>"The Really Bad Head Cold," it became obvious that Dr. Higgenbottom's >>description of Hans' heroic leap to interpose himself between his love >>and >>the infectious nasal projections of Monsieur Achieux was entirely >>unworkable >>considering the loss of Hans' thick eye-glasses in the previous >>chapter. I >>would hope that I might be able to apply similar deconstructions of >>our >>reconstructions in this forum. >> >>>>>>>> >> > > From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 3 08:24:24 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49155-2329>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:24:23 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45667-21323>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 08:23:48 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <199706030623.XAA03578@peak.org> To: frc@troll.no Subject: 78:3 From: "Luke Vaughn" Date: Mon, 02 Jun 1997 23:23:43 -0700 Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: >>>>>>>> Begin rule Jonathan B. Nhimbel Maxwell Chair of Perverse Studies Lyapunov Institute of Chaos 12745 M25 London Motarway, London, England 4324 Rodeao DR, Beverly Hills, CA, USA 1700 Pennsylvania AVE, Washington DC, USA Collegues, We at the Lyapunov Institute are always interested in projects as vast in potential in this one. My area of especial study is the investigation of possible sounds. That is, the study of the effects that the spoken word has on the atmosphere and the world as we observe it today, in order to deduce words spoken long ago by their effects. Recently, I and several interns spent some months in such activities as trapping the last Quantum Butterfly in Tibet, in order to recreate the lost 18 and 1/2 minutes of tape from the Watergate hearings. The recreated tape is shocking to say the least. Unfortunatly, after recent raids by the Hidden Service, the KBG, and Wilerd's House of Ribs have left us unable to further discuss those discoveries here. And when Wilerd shows up on your doorstep, tell him we want our order of baby-back ribs. Now, while Fomer is a far number of years removed from the present day, and our previous exercise was so recent as to have be trival, we were so excited about the project that we could not resis applying our techniques to this matter. After extensive calibration, and removal of one small white dog wearing glasses and his pet rat from our labs, we were able to tune into coversations from the era of Fomer. It took us much longer to confirm our lock as we were confused by an extensive use of the Phonomic group 'Eh.' It was used to such a heavy extent that we thought we had tuned into a Canadian radio broadcast. Once we realized we were really listening to ancient greek, we were so excited we forgot to record the conversation, and thus have no other record from the experiment. We will endevour not to make such mistakes in the future. However, we are excited to report that the Ancients used the word 'Eh' in various contexts. We believe that one of these may have been their epic poetry, and would be shocked to find poetical submissions to this forum that do not include that word. We hope that future reports to this forum will contain similar such exciting discoveries that will enable us to further refine our calibrations and perhaps bring in a live performance of the material. Respectfully, Jack Nhimbel END RULE<<<<<<<<<<<<< Pretty nifty, Eh? Luke Vaughn | Web homepage address -- lvaughn@peak.org | http://www.efn.org/~lvaughn/ "One day we'll know all the mysteries of the skies, and we'll stop our wanderings." - Susan, MARCO POLO From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 3 18:33:35 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49159-2329>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:33:26 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45671-21321>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 18:33:08 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <199706031633.JAA04038@peak.org> To: frc@troll.no Subject: Fwd: Judgement on 78:3 Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 09:33:08 -0700 From: Luke Vaughn Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: I can't resist throwing in a comment and an Auugh. Three addresses is cause of Perversity. Maxwell's Demon made me do it. And auuuugggghhhh, I was thinking of putting it as Geek, but I was so sure it was Greek, I didn't bother to confirm. *SIGH* Luke ------- Forwarded Message Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 12:01:56 -0400 Subject: Ruling 78:3, valid, 0.5 From: grayfax@juno.com (John M Goodman, II) To: lvaughn@peak.org Valid. Follows 78:1 fine, and as it's only the third submission, 78:2 does not apply. Interesting addresses--I am curious as to why there are three. The restriction does finally give some definite direction to the round--rather than it being merely a collection of introductions. I liked the ribhouse--but it's the Geek, not Greek, language... points off for that one... Style: 0.5 >>>>>>>>> Begin rule > >Jonathan B. Nhimbel >Maxwell Chair of Perverse Studies >Lyapunov Institute of Chaos >12745 M25 London Motarway, London, England >4324 Rodeao DR, Beverly Hills, CA, USA >1700 Pennsylvania AVE, Washington DC, USA > >Collegues, > >We at the Lyapunov Institute are always interested in projects as vast >in >potential in this one. My area of especial study is the investigation >of >possible sounds. That is, the study of the effects that the spoken >word has on >the atmosphere and the world as we observe it today, in order to >deduce words >spoken long ago by their effects. > >Recently, I and several interns spent some months in such activities >as >trapping the last Quantum Butterfly in Tibet, in order to recreate the >lost 18 >and 1/2 minutes of tape from the Watergate hearings. The recreated >tape is >shocking to say the least. Unfortunatly, after recent raids by the >Hidden >Service, the KBG, and Wilerd's House of Ribs have left us unable to >further >discuss those discoveries here. And when Wilerd shows up on your >doorstep, >tell him we want our order of baby-back ribs. > >Now, while Fomer is a far number of years removed from the present >day, and >our previous exercise was so recent as to have be trival, we were so >excited >about the project that we could not resis applying our techniques to >this >matter. After extensive calibration, and removal of one small white >dog >wearing glasses and his pet rat from our labs, we were able to tune >into >coversations from the era of Fomer. It took us much longer to confirm >our lock >as we were confused by an extensive use of the Phonomic group 'Eh.' It >was used >to such a heavy extent that we thought we had tuned into a Canadian >radio >broadcast. Once we realized we were really listening to ancient greek, >we >were so excited we forgot to record the conversation, and thus have no >other >record from the experiment. We will endevour not to make such mistakes >in the >future. > >However, we are excited to report that the Ancients used the word 'Eh' >in >various contexts. We believe that one of these may have been their >epic poetry, >and would be shocked to find poetical submissions to this forum that >do not >include that word. We hope that future reports to this forum will >contain >similar such exciting discoveries that will enable us to further >refine our >calibrations and perhaps bring in a live performance of the material. > >Respectfully, >Jack Nhimbel > >END RULE<<<<<<<<<<<<< > >Pretty nifty, Eh? > >Luke Vaughn | Web homepage address -- >lvaughn@peak.org | http://www.efn.org/~lvaughn/ > >"One day we'll know all the mysteries of the skies, and we'll stop >our wanderings." >- Susan, MARCO POLO > ------- End of Forwarded Message Luke Vaughn | Web homepage address -- lvaughn@peak.org | http://www.efn.org/~lvaughn/ - "DID YOU SAY HUMANS PLAY IT FOR FUN?" - "Some of them get to be very good at it, yes. I'm only an amateur, I'm afraid" - "BUT THEY ONLY LIVE EIGHTY OR NINETY YEARS!" -- The joys of bridge (Terry Pratchett, The Light Fantastic) From owner-frc@troll.no Wed Jun 4 01:05:58 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49154-2329>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:05:51 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45675-21325>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:05:23 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc To: frc@troll.no Subject: Re: Where's my supposed-78:3? Message-ID: <19970603.190059.5439.3.grayfax@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970603000137.0068a51c@mail.bayside.net> X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-11,13 From: grayfax@juno.com (John M Goodman, II) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 19:03:31 EDT Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: >I sent it to the list a day or two back, now Luke's has been >distributed >and it looks like he sent it later than I did... *sigh* if mine does >show >up, it may be deemed unsuccessful depending on whether it's counted as >later than Luke or not. Yes, unsuccessful. However, as it was due to mail problems and no fault of the author, 78:4 will not count against your eligibility. -John I didn't realize this problem until after I read your submission and ruled on it. From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 3 21:15:49 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49156-2329>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:15:39 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45672-21321>; Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:14:28 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19970601013842.0068d538@mail.bayside.net> Date: Sun, 01 Jun 1997 01:38:42 -0700 To: frc@troll.no From: "Ed Murphy" Subject: 78:3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: Fred Fnordlinger, PhD, LLD, etc Department of Xenocyberpsychology Miskatonic University Sirs: I'd like to offer the services of my work in the computerized emulation field (a garden bordering the local lake). Having previously uncovered the location of the Rings of Tsaggywahaha, written only on a lone scroll lost 574 years ago in the Seven Years Food Fight, the emulation software (Deep Green) created by my department is a natural to be applied to this latest topic of retroactive information retrieval. Granted, we will most likely have to sort through several dozen possible wordings and toss out the obviously incorrect ones, but that's to be expected with such developmental systems, and it was easy to cull out the wrong options in the aforementioned case (all of which consisted of "rutabaga" followed by seventeen words pronouncable only in a dead dialect of Arundi-Burundi). So as to maintain an appropriate perspective, all future submissions shall similarly bring up one of their own limitations, but also explain why said limitation is not sufficient to make their application worthless to The Cause. -FF -- Ed Murphy http://www.bayside.net/users/ford/ "I see," said Arthur, who didn't. http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1008745/ From owner-frc@troll.no Wed Jun 4 01:07:28 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49154-2329>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:07:27 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45676-21321>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 01:07:08 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc To: frc@troll.no Subject: Ruling 78:4 (though it was sent as 78:3), invalid, 0.8 Message-ID: <19970603.190059.5439.2.grayfax@juno.com> References: <3.0.1.32.19970601013842.0068d538@mail.bayside.net> X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3,9,12-15,17-62 From: grayfax@juno.com (John M Goodman, II) Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 19:03:31 EDT Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: Quite humorous, but it seems to ignore the existance of 78:3. My best guess (judging from the fact that Fred Fnordlinger called this 78:3) is that he was not aware of the existance of 78:3, and thus did not include any interesting discoveries. I am aware that the wording of 78:3 does seem to make it optional to include a discovery, however, considering that the roles of FRC members posting rules in this round, names members of a board, it seems that the suggestion or "hope" is really a command, much as if your boss were to tell you that he "hopes" you do better at the job. A veiled threat, perhaps, but certainly not an optional request. On the other hand, I did literally laugh out loud when reading this rule. Either it's funny, or I was just in a good mood--either way, I give it 0.8 for style. --John P.S. It should be noted, 78:2 says 5th VALID submission... if all goes well, that will be 78:6 now > Fred Fnordlinger, PhD, LLD, etc > Department of Xenocyberpsychology > Miskatonic University > > Sirs: > > I'd like to offer the services of my work in the computerized >emulation > field (a garden bordering the local lake). Having previously >uncovered the > location of the Rings of Tsaggywahaha, written only on a lone scroll >lost > 574 years ago in the Seven Years Food Fight, the emulation software >(Deep > Green) created by my department is a natural to be applied to this >latest > topic of retroactive information retrieval. > > Granted, we will most likely have to sort through several dozen >possible > wordings and toss out the obviously incorrect ones, but that's to be > expected with such developmental systems, and it was easy to cull >out the > wrong options in the aforementioned case (all of which consisted of > "rutabaga" followed by seventeen words pronouncable only in a dead >dialect > of Arundi-Burundi). > > So as to maintain an appropriate perspective, all future >submissions > shall similarly bring up one of their own limitations, but also >explain > why said limitation is not sufficient to make their application >worthless > to The Cause. > > -FF > >-- >Ed Murphy >http://www.bayside.net/users/ford/ >"I see," said Arthur, who didn't. >http://wwp.mirabilis.com/1008745/ > From owner-frc@troll.no Wed Jun 4 03:05:41 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49168-2329>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:05:32 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45678-21321>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 03:05:02 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Date: Tue, 3 Jun 1997 21:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199706040102.VAA29800@cyber1.servtech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Fantasy Rules Committee From: Joshua Hall-Bachner Subject: 78:5 Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: I think I just beat the deadline with this one. Whew! ---CAUTION! Watch for starting Rules--- Professor Reed A. Lott, Esq. Department Regarding Polysyllabic Utterances, Also Maximum Verbosity Institute for the Study of Everything and Everything Else 3442 Livingston Crescent New Paris, NT 98459 Dear Colleagues, It is refreshing to hear from you. I am especially startled by the information on the progress of Mr. Nhimbel's work -- when last I had heard of it, the team had neither acquired the absolute proof of the truth or falsity of Fermat's Last Theorem, nor the incredibly large sheet of paper required. But I digress. My own work has been in a rather odd field, compared to those of my esteemed colleagues on this project: neurology. How could this relate to the reconstruction of Fommer's epic poem, you ask? Read on. My involvement in this project came about, indirectly, due to one of the most sspectacular discoveries of the century -- the bodies of a troupe of ancient Tela-Phonecian actors, perfectly preserved in ice. Using advanced new electronic probes (and a really really *really* big microscope), my team and I have succeeded in reconstructing the exact composition of the brain of one of these actors, and encoding it in a humongous book. This book contains the exact state of each neuron, and -- this is the key -- the instructions on how to change those numbers to simulate brain activity. By using a new-fangled robot page-turner/desk calculator, we have already succeeded in recovering several los Tela-Phonecian plays, such as "The Sound of Banging Rocks Against Other Rocks." The only problem with this method is that the calculations are exceedingly slow; the small talk at the beginning of the conversation (consisting mostly of "Hello. How are you? Have I died?") took several weeks. Which brings me to my involvement with this project. Evidently, at the time, Fommer's epic was quite popular among the seafaring peoples of the Mediterranean (due, no doubt, to the bloody action scenes and explicit erotica found in the middle portions) and our reconstructed Tela-Phonecian is quite familiar with it. Given the time required for the neccesary calculations (at this point, several years), we hope to be able to extract several stanzas from our long gone actor. Even without exact wordings, the information gleaned regarding plot and style will be invaluble -- and, should we succeed in constructing this great work of days past, showing it to our Tela-Phonecian friend could shed great light on its accuracy. I would hope that all of my colleagues working on this project would be able to bring their own resources to bear on our endeavor, and provide a new source from which to obtain portions of the text. I thank you all for allowing me to join you on this project. Sincerely, Professor Lott ================================================================================ ---End of Rules Zone--- /-------------Joshua Hall-Bachner-------------Chaos Harlequin-------------\ | harlequin@tmbg.com http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/ | |"We all have our idiosyncracies -- maybe thinning hair, or gum disease." | \---- Kowanko, "Will You Come To?" ------ Thank You, And Goodnight. ------/ From owner-frc@troll.no Wed Jun 4 19:00:58 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49155-2329>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 19:00:55 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <45690-21321>; Wed, 4 Jun 1997 19:00:16 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc To: frc@troll.no Subject: Ruling 78:5, valid, Message-ID: <19970604.125542.5439.1.grayfax@juno.com> References: <199706040102.VAA29800@cyber1.servtech.com> X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-4,12-111 From: grayfax@juno.com (John M Goodman, II) Date: Wed, 04 Jun 1997 12:58:47 EDT Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: Seems valid enough. Follows 78:1 and 2 quite easily, and gets by 78:3 so long as we consider the frozen Tele-Phonecians to be the discovery spoke of (not a discovery directly relating to the study, but still one that is very useful to it). Amazing the unique "scientific" methods that this group comes up with. The restriction is a bit vague. All colleagues finding a new source is interesting, as each rule has done just that. However, by saying all colleagues does that mean that each person must submit a rule showing a new source, or that each rule must contain one? I'd say the former--so this rule does not affect those who have already submitted rules which fulfill its limitation. As there is a good chance that that will include all, or nearly all, those who submit this round, this may turn out to be a non-restriction. It does follow 78:4, though it has no reason to. :) So I'll give it a 0.5 for being extra cautious. >Professor Reed A. Lott, Esq. >Department Regarding Polysyllabic Utterances, Also Maximum Verbosity >Institute for the Study of Everything and Everything Else >3442 Livingston Crescent >New Paris, NT 98459 > >Dear Colleagues, > > It is refreshing to hear from you. I am especially startled by >the >information on the progress of Mr. Nhimbel's work -- when last I had >heard of >it, the team had neither acquired the absolute proof of the truth or >falsity of >Fermat's Last Theorem, nor the incredibly large sheet of paper >required. But I >digress. > > My own work has been in a rather odd field, compared to those >of my >esteemed colleagues on this project: neurology. How could this relate >to the >reconstruction of Fommer's epic poem, you ask? Read on. > > My involvement in this project came about, indirectly, due to >one of >the most sspectacular discoveries of the century -- the bodies of a >troupe of >ancient Tela-Phonecian actors, perfectly preserved in ice. Using >advanced new >electronic probes (and a really really *really* big microscope), my >team and I >have succeeded in reconstructing the exact composition of the brain of >one of >these actors, and encoding it in a humongous book. This book contains >the exact >state of each neuron, and -- this is the key -- the instructions on >how to >change those numbers to simulate brain activity. By using a >new-fangled robot >page-turner/desk calculator, we have already succeeded in recovering >several >los Tela-Phonecian plays, such as "The Sound of Banging Rocks Against >Other >Rocks." The only problem with this method is that the calculations are > >exceedingly slow; the small talk at the beginning of the conversation >(consisting mostly of "Hello. How are you? Have I died?") took several >weeks. > > Which brings me to my involvement with this project. >Evidently, at the >time, Fommer's epic was quite popular among the seafaring peoples of >the >Mediterranean (due, no doubt, to the bloody action scenes and explicit >erotica >found in the middle portions) and our reconstructed Tela-Phonecian is >quite >familiar with it. Given the time required for the neccesary >calculations (at >this point, several years), we hope to be able to extract several >stanzas from >our long gone actor. Even without exact wordings, the information >gleaned >regarding plot and style will be invaluble -- and, should we succeed >in >constructing this great work of days past, showing it to our >Tela-Phonecian >friend could shed great light on its accuracy. > > I would hope that all of my colleagues working on this project >would >be able to bring their own resources to bear on our endeavor, and >provide a >new source from which to obtain portions of the text. I thank you all >for >allowing me to join you on this project. > >Sincerely, > >Professor Lott > > >================================================================================ > >---End of Rules Zone--- > >/-------------Joshua Hall-Bachner-------------Chaos >Harlequin-------------\ >| harlequin@tmbg.com >http://www.servtech.com/public/particle/ | >|"We all have our idiosyncracies -- maybe thinning hair, or gum >disease." | >\---- Kowanko, "Will You Come To?" ------ Thank You, And Goodnight. >------/ > From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 17 00:26:41 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49167-26125>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:26:37 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79601-4816>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 00:26:04 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <199706162225.SAA09981@mailhost.cas.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Jun 1997 18:21:16 -0500 To: frc@troll.no From: dchatham@utk.edu (Doug Chatham) Subject: Anyone up? Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: Haven't heard from the FRC for quite some time now. Anyone out there? Just to see if anyone is paying attention, I propose the following change to the Regular Ordinances: Be it resolved that all regular ordinances are repealed and the FRC is disbanded. _________________________________________ I vote FOR, just in order to get a response. Doug Chatham _________________________________________________ Doug Chatham Email: dchatham@utk.edu Nomic Board: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/ ~chatham/cgi-bin/msgs.html From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 17 09:29:15 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49155-26125>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:29:07 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79611-4817>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:28:43 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc From: engels@win.tue.nl (Andre Engels) Message-Id: <199706170728.JAA08570@wsinfm04.win.tue.nl> Subject: Re: Anyone up? To: frc@troll.no (fantasy rules committee) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 09:28:36 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <199706162225.SAA09981@mailhost.cas.utk.edu> from "Doug Chatham" at Jun 16, 97 06:21:16 pm MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: Doug Chatham: > >Haven't heard from the FRC for quite some time now. Anyone out there? > >Just to see if anyone is paying attention, I propose the following change to >the Regular Ordinances: > >Be it resolved that all regular ordinances are repealed and the FRC is >disbanded. >_________________________________________ >I vote FOR, just in order to get a response. I vote AGAINST, and wonder who has the obligation to tally. Andre From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 17 14:14:54 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49155-26125>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:14:51 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79601-4815>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:14:32 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 08:09:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "A.K.A. TheWiz" To: Andre Engels cc: fantasy rules committee Subject: Re: Anyone up? In-Reply-To: <199706170728.JAA08570@wsinfm04.win.tue.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: >>Be it resolved that all regular ordinances are repealed and the FRC is >>disbanded. >>_________________________________________ >>I vote FOR, just in order to get a response. > >I vote AGAINST, and wonder who has the obligation to tally. Did my vote go out? If not, I vote against. ____________________________________________________________________________ |The Mauve Baron| Beep |dankna@bergen.org * http://www.bergen.org/~dankna| |---------------| Blip |-------------------------------------------------| | Dan Knapp | Bonk | This notice copyright (C)1997 Dan Knapp | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 17 14:47:22 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49154-26125>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:47:16 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79610-4815>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 14:46:51 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc From: Anton Cox Message-Id: <199706171246.NAA08823@galois.maths.qmw.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Anyone up? To: frc@troll.no Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 13:46:27 +0100 (BST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: I vote against also. Though I was beginning to wonder if there was anybody there... On a related note, does anyone know what has happened to the web page? I had it bookmarked but now find that I get a "Your client is not allowed to access the requested object." message when I try to access it. Anton From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 17 16:16:09 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49154-26125>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:16:04 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79610-4817>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:15:39 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc From: William Maciejewski Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:15:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199706171415.KAA02202@ware.vims.edu> To: frc@troll.no Subject: Re: Anyone up? Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: > Haven't heard from the FRC for quite some time now. Anyone out there? > > Just to see if anyone is paying attention, I propose the following change to > the Regular Ordinances: > > Be it resolved that all regular ordinances are repealed and the FRC is > disbanded. I'm assuming that with the responses so far this isn't really necessary but I vote against as well. Wanted to play that last one, had a rule half written, and had to take an emergency trip to Buffalo (my sister had a baby). Then my car broke down. Now I'm here, have a new car, and ready to play :) -bill From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 17 16:08:45 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49154-26125>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:08:35 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79601-4816>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 16:08:23 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <199706171408.KAA13352@mailhost.cas.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 10:03:36 -0500 To: frc@troll.no From: dchatham@utk.edu (Doug Chatham) Subject: Re: Anyone up? Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: Ah, responses. Good. I change my vote to AGAINST. _________________________________________________ Doug Chatham Email: dchatham@utk.edu Nomic Board: http://funnelweb.utcc.utk.edu/ ~chatham/cgi-bin/msgs.html From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 17 18:33:42 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49167-26125>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:33:34 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79611-4816>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:33:05 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <9706171633.AA14710@dfw.dfw.net> Subject: Re: Anyone up? From: To: frc@troll.no Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:33:55 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199706162225.SAA09981@mailhost.cas.utk.edu> from "Doug Chatham" at Jun 16, 97 06:21:16 pm Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on troll.no: From: Charles E.Carroll ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted Content-Type: text Content-Length: 237 Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: Doug Chatham wrote: > >Just to see if anyone is paying attention, I propose the following change to >the Regular Ordinances: > >Be it resolved that all regular ordinances are repealed and the FRC is >disbanded. I vote against. Chuck From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 17 18:38:36 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49167-26125>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:38:27 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79612-4816>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:38:06 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc Message-Id: <9706171639.AA15099@dfw.dfw.net> Subject: news From: To: frc@troll.no Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 11:39:12 -0500 (CDT) Illegal-Object: Syntax error in From: address found on troll.no: From: Charles E.Carroll ^ ^-illegal period in phrase \-phrases containing '.' must be quoted Content-Type: text Content-Length: 197 Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: I haven't seen anyone else post it yet, although several frc'ers know about it already, so I though I'd mention it for those who don't know... Agora has recognized FRC as a Friendly nomic. Chuck From owner-frc@troll.no Tue Jun 17 18:58:18 1997 Received: from lupinella.troll.no ([195.0.254.19]) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49154-26125>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:58:14 +0200 Received: by troll.no id <79613-4816>; Tue, 17 Jun 1997 18:57:54 +0200 Sender: owner-frc@troll.no X-Loop: frc To: frc@troll.no Subject: Sorry... Message-ID: <19970617.125221.5447.1.grayfax@juno.com> X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5,7-11 From: grayfax@juno.com (John M Goodman, II) Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 12:55:05 EDT Return-Path: Status: RO X-Status: I've had some personal situations, and some techincial (computer/ISP) ones, and as a result I ended up being a TERRIBLE judge last round... judged the rules, but never sent an update or finalized things. Seems Joshua Hall-Bachner aka Professor Reed A. Lott, Esq. posted the last valid rule, so he can take over from here. :) And Ed Murphy, aka Fred Fnordlinger PhD., LDD, etc. was the most stylish, with 0.8 points. :) I probably won't be participating for a round or two. John